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RobinP

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September 4, 2012 - 9:58 pm
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Does anyone have any experience/advice regarding exiting the boat/sprayskirt from the skirt tunnel? A friend recently had an entrapment problem where skirt got caught on underwater rock even though he was in correct position (on his back) swimming…he’s OK but it started me thinking…

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September 5, 2012 - 9:07 am
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Knife?

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in the boat or out?

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September 5, 2012 - 11:24 am
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"he was in correct position (on his back) swimming"

Read Bill…read! <img src=” class=”spSmiley” />

Knife is the only thing I can think of Robin. Wiggle like a bastard! Scary deal any way you look at it. Don’t know if you can prepare for this one.

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I rescued someone from a snagged skirt once. Knife was considered, but I successfully followed the rand around to the snag and released is from the snag. Skirts aren’t generally much longer than my arm. The rescue-ee was also hanging onto a tree and upright and breathing, so there was some time available. Disclaimer: Trying to supply a valid data point, not an ultimate answer.

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I wonder if it would be possible to roll to the left or right which may pop it off the rock?.. I guess it would depend on the current. I wonder if there are ways to recreate this and test ways to fix in a setup with the right safety.

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I like the rolling idea, if you have time to cut it that works also. Depends on your situation. Also it seems if you snag on a rock your in fairly shallow water which may help you also Yes I know there are big rocks in deep water, just saying

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September 6, 2012 - 9:20 am
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There is nothing attaching you to your sprayskirt. If it snagged one should be able to get out of the tunnel by sliding out up or down, no?
Have we all heard the story about the doc that tried to extract a guy from his boat by cutting the skirt and ended up cutting his femoral artery? The guy died and river knifes got blunt tips. I would save the knife for last.

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September 6, 2012 - 2:57 pm
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Well most of the time your spray skirt tunnel has a drytop tunnel cinched tight over it as well as a lifejacket which would make it very hard to pull down and off and impossible to get off over your head. As was stated before sprayskirts are not very big and a user should be able to grab at just about any point on the skirt to free it.

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September 6, 2012 - 3:24 pm
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True, I missed those important little facts.

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Interesting thread! I like Dan’s idea about trying to re create the situation somewhere with safety crew and boaters. "Hangover helper" or "S turn" may be good candidate rapids for such a test.

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September 6, 2012 - 7:30 pm
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I can play guinea pig

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September 6, 2012 - 8:55 pm
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A word of caution here…there is no need to try a real entrapment of any sort…

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September 7, 2012 - 12:28 am
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Robin. I think it could actually be a pretty good opportunity to educate ourselves on the situation so we know what to do if it does become a real emergency. Nobody has been able to give real insight on the situation, so maybe practice and a little gained knowledge to share wouldn’t be a bad thing. I know this is the first time in my 7 years of paddling that I’ve ever heard of this happening, and I don’t like that I wouldn’t really know what to do.

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Chris, I agree it would be a good thing to try/practice, as long as it’s done in a safe manner. I plan to try it myself when I have the right opportunity, and certainly the discussion generated creates awareness of the possibilities of what can go wrong. I know there are some boaters who have exited their skirts via the tunnel, but they haven’t replied here. I want to try it soon before it gets too cold…

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September 7, 2012 - 7:18 pm
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Sounds like a good idea.

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October 15, 2012 - 1:46 pm
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[quote author=Lincoln_R]
Knife?

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Ditto ,ditto

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October 15, 2012 - 1:49 pm
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Think it would depend on a given situation. how is the current pushing on the trapped swimmer,how tight the skirt is. legs facing up stream or down,etc.

Think in many cases it could be possible a calm swimmer could escape through the top of the skirt but that would mean not being totally held under water and having the luxery of time.

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October 15, 2012 - 2:19 pm
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This is a slightly off-topic response, but I would argue that the correct position for whitewater swimming for a kayaker is on you stomach, crawl stroking. Short of heading straight toward a large rock or hole that you know you cannot get around — here it would be good if you hit feet and/or butt first, rather than head first.

The same rules still apply for putting your feet down — don’t do it unless you are in water less than knee deep.

"Swim on your back" is great advice for raft customers who don’t really know what they’re doing and tend to freak out. In this situation, however, they’re probably going to be floating next to a raft and will get hauled in shortly.

Basically, if you are a kayaker swimming, you should actively try to save yourself.

As to the skirt question — you should be able to get out of it by pulling it down around your feet. Yes it will be difficult, but it is certainly possible.

I would agree that a knife may help, but it should be the last resort.

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Yeah that is what I meant by escaping through the top. Not sure if it came clear or not.
Defenetly agree that when you are being flushed down a rocky river or creek forget that whole idea of sitting on your back with your feet up. You got to SWIM and hard and agressively.

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